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What are your thoughts on running WINGED spec sprints class? Drop the starters and batteries, lower the weight by 50-75 lbs. would that open the class up more and get more drivers back? You can see when a wingless spec sprint runs against the winged economy class. The two classes are clearly not on the same engine level, but maybe running the spec class with a wing would make it more of an entry level class for the 360's and 410?
Just a thought. What say you?

What you are proposing is a totally new class. You need to read > specsprint.com/News.html Scroll down to the Spec Sprint Explosion.

Most all of the spec sprints can't get under 1700 lbs. if they have two battery's on board. So with no battery's and no starter the cars could weigh about 110 lbs less. Now you add a wing and the cost just went up. The whole idea for this class was to keep it low cost for a sprint car. I believe it has done that to a point. The engines are getting way to costly and adding a wing just makes the cost that much worse. Not only does the wing add cost, but now you have put the engines under more load which will make rebuilds more frequent and end up costing even more.

So if anyone really wants to put a wing on these and take the battery's and starter off, good luck with that. When the economy took a dump a few years ago it hit this class hard. It has not fully recovered yet and you want to make it more expensive. Not a good idea in my opinion.
And yes I do put my name on post so people know wrote this.

Keith

Ned,

It amazes me how many people are against the battery's and starters. Regardless of that if this was opened to injected or 4 barrel then the cost of the motors goes up. Now instead of turning 7600 the engines will now be turning well over 8000. The reason this class had done so well is by keeping the cost somewhat in check.

Keith

Just happened to be browsing message boards and a link to this thread popped up. It's nice to see Keith and Debbie still sticking up for this division and the little guy in racing. That is one of the key reasons I have been an advocate for this type of racing for as long as I have been. It was created with the budget racer in mind. It's fine the way it is.

Back when we put this thing together, wings were researched and we had a veteran driver doing the winged racing. I believe 4 barrels were tested as well. There were issues, and wingless was decided to be the best route to go. It really is the best.

Now, I heard all kinds of nonsense when we put this deal together. Wings was one thing. Another, who really should know better, was talking about push starts and other things. No. There's a reason we went self starting. We don't want to be a drag on the program.

No less than 12 cars per race that first year. A high of 17 and 31 total. There aren't many classes that start in their first year with those numbers. Even Dirt Mods only had 4 cars opening night at Antioch their first season. Seems like we had the right set of rules to me. B Mains the next year. Blowout race the year after with 32 cars at Chowchilla. A couple years after that, Chico had over 70 for a special race.

By then, everybody wanted it. I'm still blown away by the fact that Orland was the first track to follow Antioch. They'll have them again in 2015 under the new management. But Petaluma, Watsonville, Chico, Marysville... The class exploded.

The problem now is a bad economy and people making decisions to cut back or stop racing. But this class is still good for at least 12 cars at most tracks. Why? The rules. They make things affordable and competitive.

Now, if you want your wings. Go to Chico. I hated the idea. I still do. Why? They have Spec Sprints. These classes are similar enough that I knew they would split the car count. Guess what? They did. Now, if there is this great demand for Winged Spec Sprints, Chico would be exploding in that class. They aren't.

It's not the first track to do a winged class. Merced had it for over a decade. Never quite turned into anything either. It had its moments, but never put any car counts into the 20's.

We have too many divisions at these tracks as it is. That's part of the problem, but it leads off into another subject. We have Wingless Spec Sprints, and that is where the support needs to be. You can go to Petaluma, Marysville, Antioch, Watsonville, Orland, Chico, Hunt Series. Why mess that up? If wings are your thing, support Chico. If it's proven that there really is a demand for it, car count will grow and other tracks will follow.

What is NOT needed is Winged Spec Sprints at tracks that have wingless. Dividing car counts will only hurt the show that's already there. Of course, that's my own opinion. Others may disagree...


Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this post are those of an old racing reporter, column writer, announcer and co-founder of Wingless Spec Sprints and are not meant to offend. Unfortunately, these opinions sometimes do just that. Sorry about that. You know what they say about opinions

I'm not sure what this means, so I'm biting my tongue for now. Antioch Speedway has "dropped" Wingless Spec Sprints from the 2015 schedule and introduced Econo 360 Sprints. It may not mean changes this year, but one has to wonder about the future. Rules for this class are forthcoming and will be available on the track's official site. I know Econo Sprints at Chico are a winged class. I'll bite my tongue in case I am reading more into this.

I will say I am very proud of this division and all it has accomplished. It could have been even bigger if certain powers that be had wanted that. Regardless, the point was proven. Many good races at several tracks have been run by Spec Sprints during the past 16 seasons. It's not done yet, so there is more to come.



Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this post are those of an old racing reporter, column writer, announcer and co-founder of Wingless Spec Sprints and are not meant to offend. Unfortunately, these opinions sometimes do just that. Sorry about that. You know what they say about opinions

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